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elf ([personal profile] elf) wrote in [community profile] debunkingxian2012-05-10 09:57 am
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Brace for backlash

How to win a culture war and lose a generation:
When asked by The Barna Group what words or phrases best describe Christianity, the top response among Americans ages 16-29 was “antihomosexual.” For a staggering 91 percent of non-Christians, this was the first word that came to their mind when asked about the Christian faith. The same was true for 80 percent of young churchgoers. (The next most common negative images? : “judgmental,” “hypocritical,” and “too involved in politics.”)
Emphasis in original. The article is written by a Christian who is denouncing the evangelical-political factions; she asks, "Is a political 'victory' really worth losing millions more young people to cynicism regarding the Church?"

I expect this to be a popular article--and I expect the standard flood of "there are lots of good Christians too!" responses.

I'd be a lot more tolerant of that if the "good Christians," the ones who aren't homophobic and misogynistic and full of malice toward non-Christians, which I'm assured is the majority, were *doing* something about it. [personal profile] mdlbear points out, "When I was in college, the churches were hotbeds of radicalism, solidly on the left. They fed the poor, opposed the war in Vietnam, ... Where in Hell are they now?"

Standing outside the Christian churches, I can take some comfort in the fact that younger people believe that marriage is a matter of personal commitment and community, and that those who think it should be restricted by genital arrangement will eventually die off and we'll have full marriage equality. But that's because I can't provide direct influence on those churches; I'd expect people on the inside to choose a plan other than "wait them out."

And so, as this article bounces around whatever corners of the web it reaches, I expect a flurry of responses of "sing it, sister! That's right! Those evil overlords are warping the face of Christianity!"

Um. No. Well, yes, because they are... but nobody owns "Christianity." If the power-hungry hatemongers have taken over its public image... that's because the other Christians have let them. Nobody's deliberately skewing the media against Christianity by reporting that every major Republican candidate said that their religion demands that some marriages not be recognized. Santorum was an absolute non-starter, in that there's no way he could possibly have taken the larger states--but he had very serious support in a lot of the country. Those aren't a fringe kook section of Christianity.

Christianity, on the whole, has been anti-gay for a very long time. Has been anti-woman for a very long time. Has been anti-tolerance for a very long time. These things could change... but it won't be because the younger generation says "those old farts are just stuck in the past; we'll wait for them to be gone."

I don't notice any of the Tolerant!Christianity crowd campaigning for an end to Christmas as a government holiday, nor for courts to run four days on and one day off instead of five-and-two (with the two always including Sunday), nor for a removal of "in God we trust" from our money. So I expect that, when non-Christians react to this article with, "well, yeah, of course Christianity gets treated like a synonym for bigotry and oppression," the "good" Christians will denounce them as "haters" instead of accepting that no one issue, no matter how big in the public eye right now, is why a lot of us are wary of Christianity.

Link from [personal profile] mdlbear who got it from [livejournal.com profile] ysabetwordsmith
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[personal profile] herlander_refugee 2012-05-10 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, for me, if there is any point at all to "organized" religion, one of those points should be "policing your own". They cherry pick their holy book. They pick the worst and most archaic minded ideas to ensconce as orthodoxy --- misogyny, homophobia and such.

Why not highlight Jesus chasing the bankers of his day out of the Temple? Why not focus more on the feeding and nurturing of the poor and sick? Those USED to be high points of Christian conduct.

But now, no....hate and control. Willing ignorance and bigotry. I admit, I grow ever more anti-social in the religious sphere: I am down to the idea of spirituality being between the individual and his/her deity, period. Soon as you get more than "two or three gathered in my name" these days, you risk a freaking lynching.

Bah, humbug!
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[personal profile] pj 2012-05-10 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
"A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine's Monastery on Mt. Sinai in Israel. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman ‘pronubus’ (a best man), overseeing a wedding. The pronubus is Christ. The married couple are both men.

Is the icon suggesting that a gay "wedding" is being sanctified by Christ himself? The idea seems shocking. But the full answer comes from other early Christian sources about the two men featured in the icon, St. Sergius and St. Bacchus,2 two Roman soldiers who were Christian martyrs. These two officers in the Roman army incurred the anger of Emperor Maximian when they were exposed as ‘secret Christians’ by refusing to enter a pagan temple. Both were sent to Syria circa 303 CE where Bacchus is thought to have died while being flogged. Sergius survived torture but was later beheaded. Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying Sergius as an angel, telling him to be brave because they would soon be reunited in heaven."

con't. at link

http://www.christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html
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[personal profile] ravan 2012-05-10 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I left Christianity over 30 years ago over the beginnings of this hyperhypocracy of the "culture war" crap. The whole thing no longer made sense to me, it was just a way to make people conform, and to push an agenda. It hasn't gotten better, it has only gotten worse. In the end, the church itself will be a casualty of the culture wars, unless it pulls its head out and goes back to focusing on their New Testament.

I still have a lot of respect for Jesus, and what he said, although I may not agree with it. His so-called followers, not so much - they are either bigots or cowards, unwilling or unable to stop the hate that they are spreading. Jimmy Carter I actually respect - he publicly left his church over the culture war crap.
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[personal profile] eldriwolf 2012-05-10 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
someone else posted this link---not directly connected at all.
a very strong tangent though.

http://robertreich.org/post/22746789908